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marc
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:45 am Post subject: video compression [geek thread] |    | |
| so i met a guy last week that claims he is able to do 1000:1 video compression, without any serious loss of quality.
being the sceptic that i am, i went along for a demo.
TV quality video, with almost no artefacts, and a high quality stereo soundtrack... 20 minutes of it... in a 2.5MB file.
Apparantly with a quite simple compression algorithm.
discuss.... |
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Adam
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:54 am Post subject: | | |
| | Is this Apple's Pixlet thing? |
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van
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:55 am Post subject: | | |
| | jesus. that sounds glorious. |
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Shaneus
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:00 am Post subject: | | |
| Imagine the porn... but it has to be impossible though. Don't you think that if it existed, we would've caught wind of it already? Way I figure it, the ability to fit 20 minutes of high quality _audio_, let alone video is newsworthy.
Skeptical. |
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van
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:01 am Post subject: | | |
| maybe we're the first  |
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Ches
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Adam
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:49 am Post subject: | | |
| | Quote: | | Charles Bloom works up a quick coder that will compress random bytes down to about 6 bits per byte. Quite a feat, but it doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. |
Ahaha. Just buy another hard drive ffs. |
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marc
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:54 am Post subject: | | |
| well, the repercussion of all this is that he's streaming tv quality video and audio down a 28K connection...
and no, it's not pixlet.
oh yeah, that's the technology i'm talking about - adam's platform.
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Simon
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:02 am Post subject: | | |
| | Having read the Dan Rutter peice about it, I'd say the repercussions are nill because it's all bullshit! |
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marc
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:04 am Post subject: | | |
| | Simon wrote: | | Having read the Dan Rutter peice about it, I'd say the repercussions are nill because it's all bullshit! |
well then it's some awesome smoke and mirrors, because i saw it work... over a modem.... after inspecting all the hardware... |
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Shaneus
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:12 am Post subject: | | |
| | If it was a real test, then let them bring your own PC in, transfer one single file to it then play. It's the only guarantee that it's not b/s. It's certainly possible that they're just streaming random data, and the file is stored on the PC locally. |
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Adam
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:12 am Post subject: | | |
| | Sorry Marc but it sounds like bollocks to me too, but if I see it working I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong. |
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marc
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:21 am Post subject: | | |
| yeah, i know - i was very very sceptical at the start too...
the problem is that i'm finding less and less reasons to doubt them.
final test is next week when we bring in a formatted hard drive and make them stream video to it. |
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Adam
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:24 am Post subject: | | |
| | What's the standard? |
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Ches
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:25 am Post subject: | | |
| Make sure you check the powercables for hidden Cat 5 
Seriously marc, read all the links Dan gives in that article before you next test this tech. |
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Miles
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:01 am Post subject: | | |
| | marc wrote: | | Simon wrote: | | Having read the Dan Rutter peice about it, I'd say the repercussions are nill because it's all bullshit! |
well then it's some awesome smoke and mirrors, because i saw it work... over a modem.... after inspecting all the hardware... |
Nah. Bullshit. If you actually do the theory on any of this stuff you realise why it's impossible. 1000:1? Working already? Then why isn't it out on the market?
BULLSHIT. |
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Tim
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:02 am Post subject: | | |
| | hahahaha, marc, that's gold. Never mind the fact that it breaks the rules of information transfer, that's fine dude, go give him some money and make millions. Bwahahaha. |
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marc
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:10 am Post subject: | | |
| GUYS, I KNOW !!!!!!
I didn't believe it either...
but tell me how it's happening then....
clean hard drive, clean machines, no wi-fi, no hidden cat 5, nothing !!!!! |
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Adam
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:12 am Post subject: | | |
| | VPN? |
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marc
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:13 am Post subject: | | |
| | how ? no network connection... |
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Adam
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:15 am Post subject: | | |
| | Hoax |
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Ches
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marc
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:21 am Post subject: | | |
| same guys - same company - same algorithm.
other than the technology working as promised, i can't see any other way of making this happen...
and so far i've spent 2 full days with both of these guys, and more to come... |
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Ches
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:25 am Post subject: | | |
| So what happened to Ericsson and Oracle?
How's that patent coming along, anyway? |
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Simon
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| | Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:28 am Post subject: | | |
| If it's for real, it will be nothing short of revolutionary.
I'm massively skeptical though, I mean ffs, nobody has been able to get audio down to that sort of compression, let alone full motion video! |
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